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	<title>Comments on: Individualism and the State, Part II</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Aleman</title>
		<link>http://distributistreview.com/mag/2010/07/individualism-and-the-state-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mike,

True, not many people know E.F. Schumacher converted to Catholicism and this is because most proponents of his neo-Distributism conveniently ignore his book, &quot;A Guide for the Perplexed.&quot; But it is also true that even the society named after him ignore this very fact and that very book. They shift uncomfortably in their seats when the subject comes up. But what they don&#039;t ignore is religion, if one may call their beliefs &quot;religion.&quot; It just isn&#039;t a religion we could endorse. I know, I&#039;ve been there. 

One thing is certain. Joseph Pearce&#039;s brilliant biography of Schumacher has influenced and inspired many Christians, springing them to action. His religion was in the closet for too long and we don&#039;t intend to keep it there any longer.

Although secular relations with Catholics may be different than those we enjoy with other Christians, and although Chesterton did live in different times, you&#039;ve said it yourself: &quot;we don&#039;t always practice what we preach&quot; and it is for this reason, exactly what you&#039;ve said, that we must mind our own house before we clean anyone else&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mike,</p>
<p>True, not many people know E.F. Schumacher converted to Catholicism and this is because most proponents of his neo-Distributism conveniently ignore his book, &#8220;A Guide for the Perplexed.&#8221; But it is also true that even the society named after him ignore this very fact and that very book. They shift uncomfortably in their seats when the subject comes up. But what they don&#8217;t ignore is religion, if one may call their beliefs &#8220;religion.&#8221; It just isn&#8217;t a religion we could endorse. I know, I&#8217;ve been there. </p>
<p>One thing is certain. Joseph Pearce&#8217;s brilliant biography of Schumacher has influenced and inspired many Christians, springing them to action. His religion was in the closet for too long and we don&#8217;t intend to keep it there any longer.</p>
<p>Although secular relations with Catholics may be different than those we enjoy with other Christians, and although Chesterton did live in different times, you&#8217;ve said it yourself: &#8220;we don&#8217;t always practice what we preach&#8221; and it is for this reason, exactly what you&#8217;ve said, that we must mind our own house before we clean anyone else&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://distributistreview.com/mag/2010/07/individualism-and-the-state-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m advocating for the good people at the distributist review to blow out the candle. Rather, as Jesus spoke in parables to reach the common person, all I was suggesting is that the same truths need to be communicated in ways that those without a faith but in need of honest direction could find palatable and comprehendable.
Your first paragraph is eloquent but discusses protestant - catholic relations which are quite different from catholic - secular world relations. I agree with Chesterton and I agree with you, we must not be shy about where the source of the hope comes from. At the same time, we live in a much different world than that of Chesterton&#039;s (C. Taylor&#039;s &#039;A Secular Age&#039; illustrates this nicely).
A real life distributist that comes to mind is E.F. Schumacher. Not many people even knew he was a Catholic yet his message found a wide audience.
I don&#039;t want to diminish the efforts of the authors here on the website. I&#039;ll keep coming back no matter. I just worry for those who are put off by Catholicism for any number of justifiable reasons (we don&#039;t always practice what we preach).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m advocating for the good people at the distributist review to blow out the candle. Rather, as Jesus spoke in parables to reach the common person, all I was suggesting is that the same truths need to be communicated in ways that those without a faith but in need of honest direction could find palatable and comprehendable.<br />
Your first paragraph is eloquent but discusses protestant &#8211; catholic relations which are quite different from catholic &#8211; secular world relations. I agree with Chesterton and I agree with you, we must not be shy about where the source of the hope comes from. At the same time, we live in a much different world than that of Chesterton&#8217;s (C. Taylor&#8217;s &#8216;A Secular Age&#8217; illustrates this nicely).<br />
A real life distributist that comes to mind is E.F. Schumacher. Not many people even knew he was a Catholic yet his message found a wide audience.<br />
I don&#8217;t want to diminish the efforts of the authors here on the website. I&#8217;ll keep coming back no matter. I just worry for those who are put off by Catholicism for any number of justifiable reasons (we don&#8217;t always practice what we preach).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aleman</title>
		<link>http://distributistreview.com/mag/2010/07/individualism-and-the-state-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our policy here is the same as Chesterton&#039;s. 

While most of our contributing editors are members of the Roman Catholic Church, and, as we encourage those of other faiths to support and contribute to &lt;em&gt;The Distributist Review&lt;/em&gt;, our policy is perhaps best described in the words of Chesterton:
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;In discussing Distributism I do not insist on Catholicism; but I do insist on candour about Catholicism. I do not propose to conceal my religion; and I do not expect any sincere Protestant to conceal his.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Therefore, TDR’s policy is that contributors respect the views of authors or readers without compromising their own faiths. For example, an author should feel free to write about the economic effects of the Protestant Reformation and how it contributed to our present system. This should not be construed as an attack on the Protestant faiths. Chesterton’s beloved William Cobbett, the 19th Century Anglican and author of the book “History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland,” held this view, as did Anglican members of The Distributist League just one century after Cobbett. Neither should non-Catholics feel intimidated by the papal social encyclical(s), which most Christian Leaguers praised, whether Catholic or not. Therefore, while we anticipate disagreements among distributists, we should not have to mask our differences.  

What we do expect is consistency. Thus, distributists identifying themselves as Catholic must be loyal to the Magisterium of the Church and submit to the Vicar of Christ, the Pope. They, along with all other Christian authors on our web site, will display profound respect for distributive justice, subsidiarity, the legitimate exercise of government, cooperation, corporal and spiritual acts of mercy, self-sufficiency, and finally, the significance of the widespread ownership of productive property.

Unlike other movements, which die off or spiral into theosophy and other religious or secular errors, we will not mask our Catholicism. When we are in times of darkness the last thing we do is believe that the solution is found by blowing out the candle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our policy here is the same as Chesterton&#8217;s. </p>
<p>While most of our contributing editors are members of the Roman Catholic Church, and, as we encourage those of other faiths to support and contribute to <em>The Distributist Review</em>, our policy is perhaps best described in the words of Chesterton:</p>
<blockquote><p>In discussing Distributism I do not insist on Catholicism; but I do insist on candour about Catholicism. I do not propose to conceal my religion; and I do not expect any sincere Protestant to conceal his.</p></blockquote>
<p>Therefore, TDR’s policy is that contributors respect the views of authors or readers without compromising their own faiths. For example, an author should feel free to write about the economic effects of the Protestant Reformation and how it contributed to our present system. This should not be construed as an attack on the Protestant faiths. Chesterton’s beloved William Cobbett, the 19th Century Anglican and author of the book “History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland,” held this view, as did Anglican members of The Distributist League just one century after Cobbett. Neither should non-Catholics feel intimidated by the papal social encyclical(s), which most Christian Leaguers praised, whether Catholic or not. Therefore, while we anticipate disagreements among distributists, we should not have to mask our differences.  </p>
<p>What we do expect is consistency. Thus, distributists identifying themselves as Catholic must be loyal to the Magisterium of the Church and submit to the Vicar of Christ, the Pope. They, along with all other Christian authors on our web site, will display profound respect for distributive justice, subsidiarity, the legitimate exercise of government, cooperation, corporal and spiritual acts of mercy, self-sufficiency, and finally, the significance of the widespread ownership of productive property.</p>
<p>Unlike other movements, which die off or spiral into theosophy and other religious or secular errors, we will not mask our Catholicism. When we are in times of darkness the last thing we do is believe that the solution is found by blowing out the candle.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://distributistreview.com/mag/2010/07/individualism-and-the-state-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this series on individualism so thanks Donald. For me, the issue comes down to: how do we get the rest of society to submit to the higher ends that CST illustrates are necessary for a right-ordered state? I can only imagine that the first conversation I&#039;d have about all this would produce a sentiment such as: there is no way a pluralistic society could ever agree to orientate itself to the higher principles of CST so let&#039;s just allow for free competition and make the courts the final arbriter of individual rights. 
This leads to our current impass where a sense of the good, the just and the beautiful is gone from public discourse. Instead it&#039;s more about effeciency, a false notion of freedom without responsibility and a society addicted to settling every disagreement through the legal system.
We can debate ad hominem about how we ended-up here (liberalism) but the more important question is: how do we get out of this mess?
I for one would like to see distributist thinking explained in ways that is less overtly &#039;religious&#039; and more universal in it&#039;s language. I personally love knowing about the Catholic origins of distributist thought but more than that, I want people who are turned off by the Catholic Church to come to know the wholesomeness of distributist thought. This website is an excellent resource but I fear the overtly religious tone may become a stumbling block to the agnostic onlooker. THe secular nature of our communities demand a more nuanced approach. I for one am trying to relate the truths of distributism in a more universal way but I find it a difficult task.
In closing, I would add that the Catholic conception of man is worthy of promulgation because it is true, not because it is Catholic. This begs the question: does one have to be a Catholic in order to be a faithful Distributist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this series on individualism so thanks Donald. For me, the issue comes down to: how do we get the rest of society to submit to the higher ends that CST illustrates are necessary for a right-ordered state? I can only imagine that the first conversation I&#8217;d have about all this would produce a sentiment such as: there is no way a pluralistic society could ever agree to orientate itself to the higher principles of CST so let&#8217;s just allow for free competition and make the courts the final arbriter of individual rights.<br />
This leads to our current impass where a sense of the good, the just and the beautiful is gone from public discourse. Instead it&#8217;s more about effeciency, a false notion of freedom without responsibility and a society addicted to settling every disagreement through the legal system.<br />
We can debate ad hominem about how we ended-up here (liberalism) but the more important question is: how do we get out of this mess?<br />
I for one would like to see distributist thinking explained in ways that is less overtly &#8216;religious&#8217; and more universal in it&#8217;s language. I personally love knowing about the Catholic origins of distributist thought but more than that, I want people who are turned off by the Catholic Church to come to know the wholesomeness of distributist thought. This website is an excellent resource but I fear the overtly religious tone may become a stumbling block to the agnostic onlooker. THe secular nature of our communities demand a more nuanced approach. I for one am trying to relate the truths of distributism in a more universal way but I find it a difficult task.<br />
In closing, I would add that the Catholic conception of man is worthy of promulgation because it is true, not because it is Catholic. This begs the question: does one have to be a Catholic in order to be a faithful Distributist?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald P. Goodman III</title>
		<link>http://distributistreview.com/mag/2010/07/individualism-and-the-state-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald P. Goodman III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+AMDG

Well, given that Rothbard&#039;s been dead for over fifteen years, I wasn&#039;t really concerned with holding him to any standard.  His work is admired and quoted by many Catholics bedazzled by the Austrian system, so I felt refuting it specifically, and explaining the real Catholic teaching on the state, was important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+AMDG</p>
<p>Well, given that Rothbard&#8217;s been dead for over fifteen years, I wasn&#8217;t really concerned with holding him to any standard.  His work is admired and quoted by many Catholics bedazzled by the Austrian system, so I felt refuting it specifically, and explaining the real Catholic teaching on the state, was important.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Aleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viking,

I apologize - but unfortunately from my experience this article is not &quot;preaching to the converted.&quot; This assumes all of our readers are &quot;converted.&quot; Many are not. We do not write just for those with ninth degree belts in Distributism, but for the novice, the onlooker, and the unconvinced. While Rothbard was not a follower of CST, many Catholic followers of Rothbard should be. Of course, if they were, they&#039;d ceasing being followers of Rothbard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viking,</p>
<p>I apologize &#8211; but unfortunately from my experience this article is not &#8220;preaching to the converted.&#8221; This assumes all of our readers are &#8220;converted.&#8221; Many are not. We do not write just for those with ninth degree belts in Distributism, but for the novice, the onlooker, and the unconvinced. While Rothbard was not a follower of CST, many Catholic followers of Rothbard should be. Of course, if they were, they&#8217;d ceasing being followers of Rothbard.</p>
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		<title>By: Vi King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vi King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald, this is pretty much preaching to the converted.  To the best of my knowledge, Rothbard never claimed to be a follower of CST (believe he was Jewish), so what&#039;s the point of holding him by such a standard?

Viking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald, this is pretty much preaching to the converted.  To the best of my knowledge, Rothbard never claimed to be a follower of CST (believe he was Jewish), so what&#8217;s the point of holding him by such a standard?</p>
<p>Viking</p>
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