[For Part I, click here.]
The Failures of Capitalism
Capitalism fails on a number of levels philosophically; however, here we will limit ourselves to its failures due to its fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of human economy, based on the principles we’ve discussed previously.
When a society begins to mistake money for wealth, it begins to dedicate itself to the production of money rather than to the production of wealth. The accumulation of money is seen as the acquisition of wealth, and the constant flow of money is seen as the lifeblood of the economy. Because money must be constantly moving, this system requires the greatest amount of spending by the greatest number of people possible. This encourages everyone to continue accumulating still more money, and so on, ad infinitum.
The capitalist, of course, argues that this fact also encourages production. After all, people have to be spending their money on something, and someone has to produce that something. This argument, however, misses the material point, which is that the purpose of this corrupted system is to produce money, not wealth. While people certainly spend a good deal of their money on things, and that those things must be produced, people also spend large quantities of money on things which have little or no real wealth behind them.
The current system is interested in producing money, not necessarily in producing wealth. So men in our system naturally turn to those professions which can produce the greatest amount of money in the shortest amount of time. Needless to say, this does not include farming or shoemaking; rather, it consists largely in finance. Short selling, ludicrously complex derivative packages, credit default swaps, and various esoteric types of insurance are the lifeblood of such a system. Trading money back and forth to each other while selling each other insurance on the packages occupies an astoundingly large portion of our population. Meanwhile, the portion engaged in such tasks as growing food and making tools continues to dwindle.
In other words, it’s clear that people still consume as they always did; however, what they consume, how much they consume, and what’s behind that consumption are quite different.
First, people are driven to consume large quantities of useless things that they do not need. This sort of consumption is encouraged by the enormous quantities of advertising required by the consumptive capitalist society, which is needed to induce the populace to keep buying things that they don’t really require. This is often accompanied by huge, tragic cultural losses, losses which are largely, if not entirely, ignored by our society. For example, the average citizen owns a large quantity of purchased music, in the form of tapes, compact discs, and digital files. Yet the average citizen rarely gets together with others in a pub and makes music for himself anymore, so distracted is he by the bought music he constantly pumps into his ears.
Second, people consume enormously more than they once did. They have to or the system would come crashing down about itself, depending as it does upon the unending flow of large quantities of money. And so while people once saved for years to buy a home, which they would live in for decades at a minimum, people now get mortgages to pay for the entire cost of the home, or more, and yet leave it within only a few years. This also encourages massive personal debt and discourages personal savings, as it’s necessary to constantly buy to get the things that we “need,” while thrift and saving only delay the gratification that our society and the constant barrage of advertising tell us ought to be immediate.
Finally, what’s behind the consumption is often merely a veneer of actual wealth. Production simply doesn’t produce money fast enough; this has encouraged our citizens to avoid the productive trades and pursue others, which yield larger quantities of money more quickly. Because production doesn’t pay enough to fuel our highly consumptive lives, production has increasingly left our shores and been “outsourced” to other lands. We are thus left physically dependent upon others for the wealth that we require for our survival. We also further the spiral of debt, consumption, and costs that’s been briefly outlined above, aggravating still more our society’s descent into hedonism.
Furthermore, behind all our reckless consumption lies an untold ocean of exploitation and injustice. To keep us constantly buying more and more stuff, prices must be kept down and durability must be kept minimal. The cheaper things are, the more likely we are to buy them; the quicker they break, the more often we will purchase replacements. Not only does this run roughshod over all the traditions of craftsmanship in each particular trade, it also exploits the populations of other lands than ours. Those who do our production for us must do so at near-slave wages, for paying a living wage would remove the price benefit of producing there in the first place, and fewer of us would buy the goods produced. More and more, rather than producing wealth for their own countries, foreigners are led into borderline slavery to produce unnecessary flotsam for ours. In this way, while we corrupt ourselves, we also impoverish our neighbors.
Finally, our current system largely takes away the freedom of families and local communities within our society. Since goods are generally produced quite far from where they are sold (since they are generally produced in foreign countries, and even overseas), sale of those goods tends to become limited to those who can afford to transport them most cheaply. Huge retail monstrosities thus arise, vending the generally foreign and often useless garbage that advertising assures the populace that they need, as well as the few necessities which people cannot avoid buying. Families and local communities are thus led outside of themselves, not into themselves in solidarity. Rather than communities producing most of what they need themselves, and supporting one another with their money by buying what their neighbors have produced, communities are constantly split apart by the necessity to stray farther and farther away from home to make any purchase. These families and communities thus become absolutely dependent upon others, who are usually based far away and have little concern for them other than for their money. Communities dissolve, and small producers based in those communities become increasingly unable to survive.
Nor is this situation sustainable; we’ve seen recently just how fragile and ultimately doomed it really is. We’ve equated our wealth with our money; however, while we’ve based our entire society on our ever-increasing piles of cash, we have not accumulated real wealth to give that money any true meaning. This works for a time, as people get heady in their own richness; however, eventually they realize that there’s nothing behind their money, and they flee from it as quickly as they can. This happened in housing; it happened in the financial markets; it will happen in all segments of our economy. We may be able to stave it off, but we cannot make it flee forever. One can only violate the nature of things for so long.
But what can be done? How can we free ourselves from the endless cycle of consumption designed solely to produce more and more money which in itself holds absolutely no value? That is where Distributism enters the picture.
The Distributist Answer
To sum up: we live in a society in which those who produce no wealth, but merely accumulate lots of money with little or no real wealth behind their gains, are glorified, but those who produce real wealth, like farmers, are laughed at as uneducated and useless bumpkins. Our economic system depends, at its core, upon a rampant consumerism that often borders on outright hedonism, and the real production of wealth is relegated to those in foreign lands, who are thus prevented from producing wealth for their own people.
Distributism seeks to answer all these questions. Distributism is a name produced in the early twentieth century by the great Catholic writers Hilaire Belloc and G. K. Chesterton; however, in a certain sense it is an unfortunate name. While it is accurate, it brings to mind images of commissars tossing the kulaks off their land and forcing peasants to starve on communal farms. However, nothing could be further from the truth.
Distributism could just as easily be called productionism, as both distributive justice and production are its central tenets. Essentially, Distributism attempts to solve the modern consumptive, money-based economy by bringing the focus back to production. It does this by encouraging the widest possible distribution of productive property throughout the populace.
The problem with our modern system is that production has been removed from the ordinary citizen. We no longer respect and honor the man who can produce great wealth, but rather the man who can accumulate the most money. To defeat this tendency, we must once again make production of wealth the center of the normal citizen’s life. When each citizen is again directly involved in production, the production of wealth will again become paramount, and the evils of a money-based system will be substantially mitigated.
However, Distributism also takes account of a vital tenet of Catholic political thought: the principle of subsidiarity. This time-tested principle states that any given task in a society ought to be done by the smallest possible level of society. For example, the education of children is entrusted primarily to the parents of that child, as that is the smallest level of society truly capable of performing that task. Similarly, the management of a given trade ought to be entrusted to that trade itself, since that is the smallest level of society really able to accomplish it. Distributism thus has a strongly localist streak, and it is from that streak that it receives its name. Distributism seeks not only to ensure that most citizens are engaged in the true lifeblood of an economy, the production of wealth; Distributism also seeks to ensure that the production of wealth is done by the smallest units of society capable of doing it. Often, this unit will be the individual family. Thus, Distributism is that system in which most ordinary citizens are the owners of the means of production.
If the average citizen is the owner of some means of production—whether that be land, tools of a trade, or some other productive property—the problems of our current system identified above will be greatly mitigated. Citizens will be involved personally in the production of wealth. More wealth production will be done locally, ensuring that the money economy—that which is based on the exchange of money—will be much more solidly based in the existence of real wealth. Because most citizens will be involved in producing, outsourcing will no longer be necessary, because our own citizens will be happy to work their own property to produce wealth for their fellow citizens for fair trade. This will further enable those in other countries, currently exploited for our own benefit, to direct their efforts to the benefit of their own peoples. Being once again engaged in the production of real wealth, citizens will become better able to see through advertisements for “necessities” that are really superfluous, or even harmful, luxuries. Significantly, too, the most valuable members of our society, those who produce those things which are most necessary for our survival, will once again be held in their proper dignity.
Furthermore, families and communities will be bolstered and unified by their new found comparative independence. Families will depend more on their own hard work and ingenuity than on that of others whom they have never met; communities will unite and support one another by spending their money on the producers within themselves. No longer will communities be dependent upon the good will and largesse of large corporations who care nothing for them; they will become strong and one again, independent and proud.
Most importantly, however, we will again be faithful to our God-given task of stewarding the earth which He gave us. God gave us His creation so that we could dress it and keep it; that is, improve it by making it more useful to ourselves, and keep it by maintaining our improvements, so that the earth would serve us just as we serve Him. He did not give it to us so that we could accumulate ever-larger piles of green paper. Our Lord cultivates our souls so that we can serve Him; this is His primary task relative to man. Let us also cultivate the earth so that it can serve us, as God intended it to serve us; in this way we not only bring about our own sustainable prosperity, but also engage in Tolkien’s subcreation, in order to come closer to our Creator.
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at 12:46 PM
Farmers laughed at as uneducated and useless bumpkins? How about engineers and scientists derided as geeks?
Total employment in the Financial Activities Sector comes to around 5% of the workforce. This does not seem to me “an astoundingly large portion of our population” in a totally money-mediated economy.
http://www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag50.htm#workforce
This said, it is very true that there was a great abuse of trust on the part of loan brokers, real estate appraisers, mortgage borrowers, loan underwriters, money managers, and others, as well as an absurd expectation that all assets appreciate in value faster than inflation. But “abusus non tollit usus”.
Under Economic Liberalism, it is very, very easy for tradesmen to own their own tools and start their own businesses. 68% of firms in the construction sector (for example) employ five or fewer people.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs003.htm
When computer programmers, web developers, and others want to work more or less as tradesmen, it is very, very easy to own one’s own tools; it has never been easier. Ditto architects and other specialty designers.
More and more of what we think of as wealth derives more and more from intellectual effort and intellectual property. The question is “What do we do about the left side of the bell curve?” The choices, it seems to me, are between a welfare state and a protectionist state.
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at 5:41 AM
Your logic fails across so many points here. Just because you “say” something is true, doesn’t mean it is true.
For instance, you write: “Those who do our production for us must do so at near-slave wages, for paying a living wage would remove the price benefit of producing there in the first place, and fewer of us would buy the goods produced.”
Really? SLAVE WAGES? Do you have any clue what a slave wage is? You see, once you start believing you can disparage others and toss around false accusations, others may in turn disparage you. You create a massive cycle of failure and distortion.
For instance, how would this sentence read to you: “People who believe in Distributism are clearly intent on destroying Christianity and replacing it with a worship of goods and services.”
See how dangerous it is to simply “say” things without providing proof? See how using inflammatory language without even a shred of evidence provides false witness?
You fail to even acknowledge, and you certainly never even begin to even remotely address the single most stunning fact in all of economic history:
Capitalism has provided more humans, with greater ability to communicate, travel, health, food, shelter, clothes and every other aspect of humanity — in a shorter time, and with greater personal satisfaction, and with only limited disruption — all while fostering greater human peace, religious freedom, tranquility and accomplishment; than any other form of economics ever conceived has — including your desired distributism.
To ignore such an absolute fact is stunning and speaks to your lack of judgement and philosophy.
at 4:12 PM
+AMDG
AveMaria’s comment is so vitriolic and emotional that it defies any rational refutation, so I’ll not attempt it.
5% of our workforce involved entirely in tossing money around seems pretty high to me. Farming, for example, the production of food, the most basic and essential of all endeavors, employs less than one percent of our population. (http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/ag101/demographics.html) (This article also includes other disturbing facts about our agricultural reality.) Surely the production of food is more fundamental than the trading of money?
The statement “Under Economic Liberalism, it is very easy for tradesmen to own their own tools” just isn’t backed up by the facts, and it ignores contrary factors. Namely, it ignores the fact that capitalism rewards so-called “economies of scale” very highly, and penalizes small enterprises accordingly. For that reason, only large farms are able to make significant profit, and nearly 50% of those of us who are farmers must claim something else as a principle occupation just to make ends meet. (That same article I cited above.) So while it’s very easy for me to, say, open up my own mechanics’ shop, it’s extremely difficult for me to successfully compete with Meineke and Jiffylube, and of course the mechanics’ shops of the car dealers, which are deliberately designed to tie people into them.
Our intellectual professions can easily strike out on their own, and even be successful doing so; but the actual production of fundamental goods—the fields, the forests, the factories and shops, and the mines—are more and more concentrated into the hands of the few. And, increasingly, the foreign few. It’s great that our capitalist masters can choose from many small tradesmen when designing their office buildings and business websites, but it doesn’t really address the fundamental issue.
Construction is an interesting issue, as it’s one of those few productive trades that still requires heavy manual labor. As such, it benefits from small owners. But it’s an exception in that it has not yet been strongly centralized. It’s gotten to where it’s hard for me even to find a local barber who owns his own place.
The issue is that the man who owns his own tools and employs them in a productive trade is an exception becoming vanishingly rare in our society.
Praise be to Christ the King!
at 4:17 PM
I agree that not only are Ave Maria’s comments vitriolic and emotional, but he (she?) lacks the ability to read a well reasoned argument and respond with appropriate counterpoints. To say that Capitalism has provided the utopia it has provided (food, medicine, wealth, jobs, etc.) is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who has the slightest understanding of history. Perhaps Ave Maria needs to be reminded of the behavior of the Robber Barons of the last century, which behavior is being even now repeated by the modern Robber Barons of Wall Street. When life is all about making money rather than producing real wealth, anything is permissable to achieve that end. People become objects just like the floor presses, floor sweepers, and bench grinders in a large mill. Their job is to produce money for the owner.
As for the other charge, that Capitalism has produced all kinds of wonderful inventions for our lives — what a load of nonsense. It is not Capitalism that did this. It is freedom so that intelligent and brilliant thinkers were free to experiment and invent. Germany could have had Einstein if it were not for Hitler. Many other brilliant thinkers wound up over here specifically because tyrants took over their country and made life dangerous and invention almost impossible. You can thank our pluralist society perhaps, but please don’t try to credit greed acquistion, which is the heart of Capitalism, with the ability to create new inventions.
I find it stunning and somewhat discouraging in my Internet discussions to run into so many Catholics who have absolutely no idea of either Catholic social teaching or a proper understanding of what we are to do with our money. For the majority of them, money is made to participate in the Capitalist dream that is America — i.e., buy more worthless and stupid crap so that we might have a momentary pleasure rather than find the joy that is aiding the poor and needy.
at 9:08 PM
AveMaria, apparently it is you who don’t know philosophy, since liberal philosophy, particularly the one in the economic field, is condemned by the Church.
at 12:40 PM
I should note that the moderators on this blog have NOT posted my prior response.
I would welcome a full and open debate — and if Paul, IrishEddie or anyone else wishes to have such a debate, let us not hide the truth behind unsubstantiated comments or false accusations of not knowing Catholic teachings.
I stand ready — at any moment — to debate economics with anyone here — with the rules being one cannot make things up whole-cloth. That one needs to cite references and studies. That one cannot simply say people pay “near slave wages” without responding openly and factually to a challenge of such a gross lie. Near slave wages? Come to your senses people!
I do not fear the truth. I support it strongly.
As for the editor who refused to post my other comment — why so fearful?
Let the truth win the argument or, if it be false, let that happen as well.
If distributists fear the truth and a full and open debate — then this blog is useless.
So far, it appears that hiding from the truth is indeed the distributists way.
at 6:16 AM
Dear AveMaria,
Would you mind resubmitting the response? I checked Spam and it was not in the folder.
at 6:26 AM
+AMDG
Do you honestly see no hypocrisy in your insistence that everyone else cite their statements, while you yourself made an enormously sweeping statement about the benefits of capitalism without a single citation?
I’d be glad to respond to your comment, but only if it’s calm, rational, and respectful. I’m not interested in a flame war.
Praise be to Christ the King!
at 8:58 AM
Apparently, AveMaria, you don’t read papal encyclicals.
Pope Pius XI, Divini Redemptoris:
50. Therefore We turn again in a special way to you, Christian employers and industrialists, whose problem is often so difficult for the reason that you are saddled with the heavy heritage of an unjust economic regime whose ruinous influence has been felt through many generations.
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What else is this “unjust economic regime” but the capitalism of Pope Pius XI’s day, that he also says brought about the reaction of Communism and Socialism?
at 10:02 AM
Ave — I am not the one to debate you on Distributism as I only recently have come to the knowledge of this system of thought and the writings of Chesterton, Beloc, and those on this site. I would be interested in seeing Donald take you on, however, and I hope that there might be a site for such a future debate.
at 11:46 AM
> Farming, for example, the production of food,
> the most basic and essential of all endeavors,
> employs less than one percent of our population.
> Surely the production of food is more fundamental
> than the trading of money?
When I say that around 5% are employed in the Financial Industry, I am counting all of it, you are not counting very much of food production when you talk about farmers.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs001.htm#emply
http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs011.htm#emply
http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs024.htm#emply
There’s more but I think this is the bulk of it. It is hard to sort grain & grocery distribution from other trucking, for example.
That we are able to have food for around 10% of GDP is a very good thing, even if something less than 5% of people are employed in the industry. That reflects the susceptibility of food production to mechanization, and has nothing to do with importance.
Which brings up the crux of the problem of increasing reliance on capital:
“Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists.” — GK Chesterton, The Uses of Diversity, 1921
Louis Kelso’s Binary Economics and Capital Homesteading are practical programs to repair the problem on Chesterton’s terms without insisting that journalists like Chesterton or hack authors like Belloc should have chickens in their back yards or make their own tomato paste and beer.
> capitalism rewards so-called “economies of scale”
> very highly, and penalizes small enterprises
“So-called?” What on earth is this supposed to mean? That economies of scale are an invention of evil capitalists foisted upon the rest of us?
There simply ARE economies of scale to be had. Belloc recognized this implicitly with his scheme to tax away economies of scale in the name of protecting small producers and shops. Because we have very efficient capital markets, anyone who can demonstrate the ability to manage at scale can obtain financing. What I am saying is that “capitalism” rewards management ability, not scale simply.
There are also diseconomies of scale, some institutional some not. Many of our institutions have been “shaped” so as to encourage scale, or more precisely to remove institutional diseconomies of scale. My favorite example is the federal ERISA law that exempts big companies from state laws concerning insurance and pensions. If we decide it is OK for corporations to make $1,000 less on a car in order to have more local control over them, then we should do things like get rid of ERISA. There are of course many more examples.
@Ave Maria — I am convinced that DR writers use words like “capitalism” and “slave” the way they do in order to shock the readers. This is not all bad: if you’re shocked you might try to discover what they mean by these things. For them, Capitalism is a system wherein the productive assets of the society are owned by very few people, and the great majority work for wages or a salary for essentially all of their income. There is actually more to it than this, but it is a good place to start. For them the condition “slave” is the condition of life wherein it is necessary to work on someone else’s schedule using their tools and materials for 45+ weeks per year in order to have the necessities of life, and live in terror of being fired. I think this describes pretty well the state of our economy and the living conditions of most people. I try to be less inflammatory by using the terms “Economic Liberalism” and “Proletarian” instead of “Capitalism” and “Slave”. If making those mental substitutions help you understand articles on DR, I encourage you to make them.
at 10:10 PM
+AMDG
“When I say that around 5% are employed in the Financial Industry, I am counting all of it, you are not counting very much of food production when you talk about farmers.”
You’re comparing apples to oranges. The financial industry doesn’t produce anything; there is no trucking or storage involved. And yet you’re expecting me to include not only food *production*, but also food storage, food transportation, and food retailing? That’s like me pointing out that furniture production has greatly decreased, and then you pointing out that it hasn’t because warehouse workers storing foreign-made furniture has actually increased. It might be true, but it ignores the point.
> http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs001.htm#emply
> http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs011.htm#emply
> http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs024.htm#emply
You’re including an awful lot of different careers in food production, but even so it’s still slightly less than 2% of the population, assuming a total population of 300,000,000.
“That we are able to have food for around 10% of GDP is a very good thing, even if something less than 5% of people are employed in the industry. That reflects the susceptibility of food production to mechanization, and has nothing to do with importance.”
It doesn’t so much reflect the susceptibility of food production to mechanization as it reflects the overconcentration of food production into few hands, the influence of poorly-focused subsidies, and the effects of unsustainable farming techniques. But that’s a different issue. The issue is that there are too few owners, and that we as a society have so concentrated our food production that there are more people selling insurance to one another than there are growing our sustenance.
“Louis Kelso’s Binary Economics and Capital Homesteading are practical programs to repair the problem on Chesterton’s terms without insisting that journalists like Chesterton or hack authors like Belloc should have chickens in their back yards or make their own tomato paste and beer.”
Distributism, of course, requires neither of those things, though it does encourage them where possible. Calling Belloc a “hack author” is also unfair and untrue; it’s flamebait, best avoided among gentlemen.
> capitalism rewards so-called “economies of scale”
> very highly, and penalizes small enterprises
“‘So-called?’ What on earth is this supposed to mean? That economies of scale are an invention of evil capitalists foisted upon the rest of us?
There simply ARE economies of scale to be had. Belloc recognized this implicitly with his scheme to tax away economies of scale in the name of protecting small producers and shops. Because we have very efficient capital markets, anyone who can demonstrate the ability to manage at scale can obtain financing. What I am saying is that ‘capitalism’ rewards management ability, not scale simply.”
“Capitalism”? What on earth is this supposed to mean? That capitalism is an invention of evil distributists foisted upon the rest of us? If you wish to use the term “Economic Liberalism” to describe a system universally described as capitalism, that’s your prerogative, but it makes little sense to criticize others for using the word the way everyone else does: to describe the system currently in place in the United States, and certain acceptable variations therefrom.
The “efficiencies” of economies of scale are due largely, and sometimes entirely, to government assistance granted to large enterprises and the ability of large organizations to leverage their very largeness rather than improved products or services. E.g., to bring up the example of farming again, large farms receive the bulk of federal subsidies, and use these to buy out smaller operations:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/20/AR2006122001591.html
Not to mention that large farms with lots more produce than needed to supply local areas require transportation of their crops to other areas; they thus benefit from all the federal subsidies to road shipping, not least of which is the highway subsidies, which benefit smaller local farmers much less. Is this the “very efficient capital market” you were referring to?
Or do you mean big-box department stores, which claim they will benefit local communities by employing many, and end up employing many of those who once worked for local businesses, or even for themselves, but went out of business due to the stores’ arrival? And that these businesses can afford to expand so massively because they get huge tax benefits from local communities for doing so?
The pattern repeats itself in many industries. Many industries feed off one another, encouraging this ballooning size, too. Printers, for example, sell stock to Barnes & Noble at cheaper prices than to smaller bookstores because they are buying so many. This means B&N’s prices are lower for the same profit, which means that smaller bookstores simply cannot compete. It doesn’t mean that B&N has better selection, better product, better service, or better anything; it just means that B&N is bigger. If that’s what you mean by a real economy of scale, then you can keep it; I’d rather have the store that actually serves its customers best win, rather than the one that is biggest.
“@Ave Maria — I am convinced that DR writers use words like “capitalism” and “slave” the way they do in order to shock the readers.”
Did Bl. Leo XIII also use the word “slavery” simply to shock the readers of Rerum Novarum?
“To this must be added that the hiring of labor and the conduct of trade are concentrated in the hands of comparatively few; so that a small number of very rich men have been able to lay upon the teeming masses of the laboring poor a yoke little better than that of slavery itself.”
Let’s give credit to our opponents at least for good intentions, please.
We’re using the term “borderline slavery” (which was what I actually said, after all) the way the popes did, to mean a condition in which very few control most of the means of producing wealth. We use “capitalism” to describe that system condemned so thoroughly in Rerum Novarum and Quadragesimo Anno, among others, because that’s the system the popes were talking about there and elsewhere.
“For them the condition ‘slave’ is the condition of life wherein it is necessary to work on someone else’s schedule using their tools and materials for 45+ weeks per year in order to have the necessities of life, and live in terror of being fired.”
No; distributists have constantly defended the legitimacy of the wage contract, Belloc not least of all. Indeed, John Sharpe once stated that this defense fitted “a man who was a faithful Catholic and not an idiot.” No distributist has ever called it slavery simply; we have called it “wage slavery,” which is a different thing. Slavery is involuntary servitude. Our current wage system is sometimes near slavery, but it is not slavery itself, nor have I ever found any distributist who would say that it was.
On the other hand, when an employee has no practical choice to avoid starvation for himself and his family but to accept a wage contract with one or another employer, all of whom offer essentially the same terms which are onerous and unjust, that’s *very* close to slavery. And that is often the condition that the foreign producers of our wealth find themselves in, hence my phrasing.
Distributists do defend the superiority of the ownership of the means of production over the wage contract, and pursue a society in which most, rather than very few, are the owners of productive property. But they do not, and never have, attacked wage contracts as per se slavery.
Praise be to Christ the King!
at 12:08 AM
The financial industry produces financial products. Insurance is something, so are loans. Their intangibility doesn’t make them non-things or non-valuable.
Cross industry comparisons are always tough, but yes, I’m expecting you to count the whole industry. That way we’re not comparing apple seeds with orange trees.
Chesterton called himself a journalist and Belloc called himself a hack. I’ve been amused that neither of the great defenders of Distributism had an agrarian cell in his body, whilst so much recent commentary fairly demands it. And on the flamebait comment, back atcha.
The capital market I’m referring to is the capital market; the place where you go to sell bonds or sell stock when you want capital to expand. This isn’t the Political Favors market, but that exists too. I haven’t confused them.
As for B&N: the guy who started B&N started with one store in Greenwich Village in 1965. He had talent so he could obtain funding eventually for 750 store chain. Had there been already 750 independent stores in the approximate style of a B&N in place during the 1980s there would have been no room in the market for him. But there weren’t. Because most small shop owners aren’t talented enough to do even one B&N (so they can’t get funding for even one) and don’t really care to give us what we want, they want to keep doing what they were doing last week. I can tell two or three stories from my own life to illustrate this and point to a couple Harvard Business School cases to illustrate it further. The Blockbuster Video case is my favorite. But Borders has gone bankrupt and B&N may follow because of disintermediation. Today, that means Amazon. Tomorrow publishers may sell directly books printed on demand. That is, if authors don’t beat them to it.
I think the many dismayed comments found here on the DR website about the term “Capitalism” demonstrates that most people don’t use the word the way you do. Ave Maria is hardly unique.
I think Bl. Leo XIII did use the word “slavery” to shock the readers of Rerum Novarum.
Oh I see now — the term “slave wages” to which Ave Maria was reacting points not to slavery but rather to wage slavery which on the other hand is *very* close to slavery, but it is different. Got it.
at 6:44 AM
+AMDG
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“The financial industry produces financial products. Insurance is something, so are loans. Their intangibility doesn’t make them non-things or non-valuable.”
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No, it doesn’t make it non-valuable; but it does mean that you’re asking me to include factors in food production that don’t exist in finance. It’s like me asking you to include electrical generation in your financial figures because finance uses lots of electricity while agriculture uses less. (But more gasoline.)
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In any case, you aren’t contesting that a much larger portion of our population is involved in finance than in food production, and that food production is very concentrated? Because that’s the situation that I’m objecting to here.
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“Chesterton called himself a journalist and Belloc called himself a hack. I’ve been amused that neither of the great defenders of Distributism had an agrarian cell in his body, whilst so much recent commentary fairly demands it. And on the flamebait comment, back atcha.”
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If you mean neither was personally a farmer, you’re correct; but to say they weren’t agrarians isn’t in accord with their writings. And if you can find anything I’ve said that can be characterized as flamebait, show it to me.
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“The capital market I’m referring to is the capital market; the place where you go to sell bonds or sell stock when you want capital to expand. This isn’t the Political Favors market, but that exists too. I haven’t confused them.”
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No, you haven’t confused them; but you’re ignoring one of the two, which plays a huge part in the economies of scale that you seem to be claiming are an irrefutable and necessary fact of the capitalist system.
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“As for B&N: the guy who started B&N started with one store in Greenwich Village in 1965. He had talent so he could obtain funding eventually for 750 store chain. Had there been already 750 independent stores in the approximate style of a B&N in place during the 1980s there would have been no room in the market for him. But there weren’t.”
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This is classic capitalist theory, but it’s also plainly unscientific for one and not really helpful argument for another. It’s unfalsifiable; your argument is that because he succeeded and produced a huge chain store, it must have been because he was really good at it all; it’s certainly not because he received government favors or because he was successful in leveraging his very size as opposed to his product and service, because if it were, he wouldn’t have succeeded. Surely you recognize that there are many factors besides this guy’s managerial expertise playing into the huge expansion of B&N, and this facile explanation about our “very efficient capital markets” is at best only a part of the story?
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“I think the many dismayed comments found here on the DR website about the term “Capitalism” demonstrates that most people don’t use the word the way you do. Ave Maria is hardly unique.”
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I’ve never heard anyone except the most radical Rothbardians refer to the United States’s economy as anything other than “capitalist.” Our application of the term to our economy is hardly unique.
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“I think Bl. Leo XIII did use the word “slavery” to shock the readers of Rerum Novarum.”
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I don’t; I think he used it to describe reality, which is my intention in using it, as well.
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“Oh I see now — the term “slave wages” to which Ave Maria was reacting points not to slavery but rather to wage slavery which on the other hand is *very* close to slavery, but it is different. Got it.”
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You mean the term “near-slave wages,” which is what I actually said? Yes, it referred to something *nearly* slavery, but not slavery. I don’t think the phrase is difficult to parse.
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Praise be to Christ the King!
at 9:52 AM
(I like your empty-sentence solution to the paragraph problem, but I still think Richard should fix the blog template instead. It looks to me like WordPress. If it is WordPress, it shouldn’t be hard to do and there are zillions of Distributist (freelance) WordPress developers dying for the opportunity to do it.)
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> your argument is that because he succeeded and
> produced a huge chain store, it must have been
> because he was really good at it
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No, that’s not it at all. My argument is that he must have proved ex ante by a preponderance of evidence that he had the skills to operate at scale because he got the capital to expand from nameable human beings who stood to lose it if he hadn’t. I hope you’re willing to make that much of an inference.
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I perfectly well agree that the terms under which we charter corporations should be changed — they’re far too liberal and tend to give far too much power to management. I’m not willing to call the current rules “favors” though. You don’t need a lawyer to charter a corporation, much less a lobbyist.
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As best I can tell, political favors come AFTER you’ve achieved scale. If you want to claim that B&N’s growth was financed in any significant way by political favors, show me. The record shows that the growth of B&N (in its current incarnation) came about largely through acquisition of poorly-run regional chains and solving problems for universities.
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Having achieved a certain scale and profitability level (this is important: today B&N has scale but not profitability), further expansion could have been financed out of cash flow: true. This is a different matter.
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I think nearly all the country sees things like Social Security, Medicare, minimum wage laws, laws favoring unions, public schools, progressive taxation, and all the rest as un-capitalist, anti-capitalist, even “socialist”. I think nearly everyone sees the country as no longer “capitalist” and decreasingly “capitalist”. Some think this a good thing, others not. What you and I will agree on is that America is increasingly statist, has a strong tendency towards concentrating power at the federal level, and that this is bad, even wrong.
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What I’d like to leave you with is this: your use of language isn’t going to attract Jones. Jones values “freedom” very highly and Distributism is not a “free” system in the sense Jones understands it. You’ll have to give him a different vision of freedom and in order to do that you’ll have to get him to listen.
at 2:50 PM
+AMDG
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“(I like your empty-sentence solution to the paragraph problem, but I still think Richard should fix the blog template instead. It looks to me like WordPress. If it is WordPress, it shouldn’t be hard to do and there are zillions of Distributist (freelance) WordPress developers dying for the opportunity to do it.)”
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It is WordPress, about which I know next to nothing. I’ll suggest to him that we look into doing this.
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“No, that’s not it at all. My argument is that he must have proved ex ante by a preponderance of evidence that he had the skills to operate at scale because he got the capital to expand from nameable human beings who stood to lose it if he hadn’t. I hope you’re willing to make that much of an inference.”
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That’s the same thing; you’re saying that the fact that he got the money is proof “by a preponderance of the evidence” that he was good at using it; that is, that his economies of scale worked. No, I’m not willing to make that inference, because it’s unfalsifiable. I will infer from this that he managed to convince investors that he could make a lot of money at this business, but that’s not the same thing. “Making money” and “being efficient” are not necessarily concomitant.
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“I perfectly well agree that the terms under which we charter corporations should be changed — they’re far too liberal and tend to give far too much power to management. I’m not willing to call the current rules “favors” though. You don’t need a lawyer to charter a corporation, much less a lobbyist.”
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That’s a different question, albeit one which does bear on our question. The current corporation rules are most definitely favors to corporate organization, an organization which is unquestionably more suited to large organizations than to smaller ones. Limited liability and tax benefits come immediately to mind; none of these things are available to small business who wish to keep things simple, in the form of sole proprietorships or general partnerships. Properly ordering a corporation to take full advantage of its benefits requires larger size because it *does* require a lawyer, and it requires an accountant, which are significant expenses for a small business, particularly one just starting out.
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But those aren’t the benefits I was referencing. The government actively favors those business which rely heavily upon transportation, for example, by heavily subsidizing this country’s transportation system. This is a system which does indirectly benefit people like you and me; but it benefits much more big business like Target or Wal-Mart, who ship huge quantities of goods over long distances. Smaller businesses are more likely to have local suppliers and thus benefit less from these enormous government subsidies. Our government also maintains a currency policy and tax policies that favor overseas production, which further benefits these big businesses with more overseas suppliers. Just to name a few of the benefits given to bigness as bigness.
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“I think nearly all the country sees things like Social Security, Medicare, minimum wage laws, laws favoring unions, public schools, progressive taxation, and all the rest as un-capitalist, anti-capitalist, even “socialist”. I think nearly everyone sees the country as no longer “capitalist” and decreasingly “capitalist”. Some think this a good thing, others not.”
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Most people still think that the United States is a capitalist country; I haven’t heard anybody but the most hardened of the von Mises and Rothbard school deny it. We’re pronounced as such by the politicians of both of our parties. We continually hail the virtues of capitalism and free enterprise at every political debate. We may be capitalist with a few non-capitalist elements; but we’re still a capitalist country.
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Capitalists choose to define themselves in terms of free enterprise and profit motive, but this is absurdly overbroad. Distributists define capitalism as the concentration of productive property into the hands of the few. In either case, the definition applies to our present society.
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“What you and I will agree on is that America is increasingly statist, has a strong tendency towards concentrating power at the federal level, and that this is bad, even wrong.”
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Yes, but this is to be expected when capitalism flourishes; it devolves into the servile state, or into socialism.
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“What I’d like to leave you with is this: your use of language isn’t going to attract Jones. Jones values ‘freedom’ very highly and Distributism is not a ‘free’ system in the sense Jones understands it.”
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Distributism is built upon freedom and the opposition to the servile state. One of the primary motives for wishing to ensure the widespread distribution of productive property is ensure the widespread distribution of economic, and therefore political, freedom. I’ve explained that to many Joneses, and they’ve never had much trouble understanding it, even when they still oppose it—unless they had already been trained to consider capitalism the only possible free system. I try to conform my language to the examples of the popes; I’ve done nothing else in this case.
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Praise be to Christ the King!
at 7:57 PM
Classical distributism like 17th century classical music can benefit from modernization. Hand tools cannot create all the products needed in a modern world and hand farming methods would result in mass starvation.
That being said there are certain principles of distributism that are eternally valid and that is that manipulation of gross amounts of capital has robbed most of the middle class of the entire world of their wealth. When one engages in artificial arguments as in the merits of Laissez Faire capitalism verse government socialism one loses reality in the process.
The reality of the American capitalist system as practiced during our most prosperous era, 1950 through 1980, is that it was not laissez faire and it was certainly not socialist. It was in fact a directed investment where capital was directed at financing industries in the developed “westernized” world, and thus the industrial sector of our economy was primarily unionized and the wage scale was sufficient to allow a high standard of living for the workers. No one sought to undercut the unions by moving the factories to the third world, and the Japanese and German Pay scale was roughly equivalent to its American counterparts so true competition in quality , undistorted by gross pay inequities was possible.
This, however, did not please the capitalists as it tended to squeeze profits as talented management and engineering professional s had to be engaged and continual improvements in the products made which also required infrastructure investment, to keep their operations competitive and solvent.
Nothing can be further from the truth that the saying that mega capitalism encourages competition. Mega capitalism seeks maximizing return on investment by any means allowed. and mega capitalism thrives by essentially bribing elected officials to let it have a free hand.
In fact it was the Communist world offering an alternative that was what was requiring the mega capitalist controlled governments to have any social conscience whatsoever. We have just witnessed what has happened when the restraints are off ,when anything goes, and the Bankster created system resembles nothing so much as a rigged roulette wheel.
Furthermore as a practical person with much experience in political matters, can state firmly that it is long past time for the distributists to move beyond the philosophical, and the quaint intellectual arguments about various facets of their dogma to join in a political movement with fixed goals . This is necessary because limiting one self to engaging in philosophical arguments while the western world falls apart is morally indefensible.
Politics is an art defined by a few fixed rules. The first and hardest to learn is that to advance a body of programs one ,must first have a entity dedicated to that endeavor hence a political party. This violates the classical theory of distributism that the distributist society would be a debating organization, a well from which politicians would pluck the best ideas.
Politicians do not pluck ideas, they conform to party policy. and the policy of the Republicans and the Democrats is to obey their leaders who are the globalist capitalists. The only real difference between the two is that the Democrats practice buying votes by giving handouts to those not really gainfully employed while the Republicans do not. Neither Party advocates managing the economy despite all the rhetoric.
So distributism with its central tenants of a state managed financial sector has not a snowballs chance in hell of gaining any real supporters inside our two Party system.
That is rule one of real politics because it takes an organization to elect and support a congressman or a senator a true independent legislator is a chimera. And on the rare occasions when any of them get off the reservation so to speak and really interfere with the agenda of the banksters who run this nation, what happens to them, well to use the street term in its full grisly ,meaning “it ain’t nothin nice”!! George Hansen Jim Trafficant and Paul Wellstone can give you chapter and verse on that subject.
So a political organization is required and with it Rule two a basic manifesto of core programs that all must adhere to. I say must because a key political sabotage technique is divide and conquer. or create a schism around anything you can to derail your opposition
That brings up rule three K I S S ( keep it simple stupid!) the party programs must be scientifically stated in simple impossible to misunderstand language for the purpose of clarification and promotion. a complex set of objectives or vague amorphous term s will not do
And that bring up rule four Promote publicize loudly and often. People will only support you when they know both who you are and what you stand for You need to make your program their program
And thus the flip side rule Five expose loudly and often the negative side of your opposition. People need to know who the bad guys are and what they are doing I once had a very popular seven by twenty foot political sign on a trailer it said Republicrooks are no better than Democrooks. People need to know how bad the bad guys really are.
And now we are down to rule six Party discipline and defense. When you take on the establishment they fight back and use any dirty trick they can get away with. so the party need s a corps of fighters. By this I mean investigators and lawyers and its own security people.
To do all this requires structure and rules and that is rule seven. What we learned in fifteen years in the Reform Party is that and amorphous anything goes organization is subject to both internal and external sabotage and will rapidly be rendered useless despite all the best intentions of a group of mostly sincere concerned and thoughtful people.
This is the outline and this is the challenge to all who profess a belief in the tenets of distributism. will you put your body where your mouth is, will you make the translation from keyboard commando to
political activist. do you really believe in these ideas enough to try to bring them to fruition.
truth time.
JJB